It has been proven time and again, over many different eras of history and in many different conflicts that torture is wildly ineffective

we have proof, from history, from the people who have actually done this for a living, from its victims -- that torture doesn't work. Furthermore, there are proven, better methods available. Moran's report became the foundation for military operating methods in the coming decades, up until their recent, deplorable reversal under the Bush administration.

There is still one more refuge of the pro-torture camp, and this by far the most reprehensible: the assertion that torture inflicts fear upon the enemy and that must be a good thing. Indeed torture does inflict fear. But fear itself has a tendency to backfire

People who believe they have no chance will fight to the death

We have seen this before. We have seen societies and governments aplenty embrace pointless brutality and power for their own sake. They fall. In the end, they deserve to